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	<title>Comments on: Physics Ball Thrown and Conservation of Energy Help?</title>
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	<description>How Can We Be More Energy Efficient?</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 12:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: eyeonthescreen</title>
		<link>http://www.energy--talk.com/creative-energy-ideas/physics-ball-thrown-and-conservation-of-energy-help/185/#comment-354</link>
		<dc:creator>eyeonthescreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No no no...the conservation of energy still applies in a).  Here's how.  

Upon release the ball's total energy TE(V) = 1/2 mV^2 = KE(V) the kinetic energy; where m = .4 kg and V = 12 mps.  That energy is conserved at the highest point (H) where total energy TE(H) = mgH + 1/2 m (V cos(theta))^2 = PE(H) + KE(H), which is the potential energy and kinetic energy at the highest point.  vx = V cos(theta), where theta = 33 degrees; this is the x component of the launch velocity.  We assume vx = constant because no air drag is considered.

From the conservation of energy TE(V) = 1/2 mV^2 = mgH + 1/2 m(V cos(theta))^2 = TE(H); so the conservation of energy does in fact apply even though there is no vertical velocity.  The good news is that you need not invoke it for answering a) because vx = V cos(theta) is all you need.  But you do need it for b).

Solving the conservation of energy relationships we have V^2 = 2gH + V^2 cos(theta)^2; so that H = V^2(1 - cos(theta)^2)/2g = V^2 sin(theta)^2/2g  H is measure above the launch point, if you wish the H to be measured from ground level you need to add in the height of the launch point above ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No no no&#8230;the conservation of energy still applies in a).  Here&#8217;s how.  </p>
<p>Upon release the ball&#8217;s total energy TE(V) = 1/2 mV^2 = KE(V) the kinetic energy; where m = .4 kg and V = 12 mps.  That energy is conserved at the highest point (H) where total energy TE(H) = mgH + 1/2 m (V cos(theta))^2 = PE(H) + KE(H), which is the potential energy and kinetic energy at the highest point.  vx = V cos(theta), where theta = 33 degrees; this is the x component of the launch velocity.  We assume vx = constant because no air drag is considered.</p>
<p>From the conservation of energy TE(V) = 1/2 mV^2 = mgH + 1/2 m(V cos(theta))^2 = TE(H); so the conservation of energy does in fact apply even though there is no vertical velocity.  The good news is that you need not invoke it for answering a) because vx = V cos(theta) is all you need.  But you do need it for b).</p>
<p>Solving the conservation of energy relationships we have V^2 = 2gH + V^2 cos(theta)^2; so that H = V^2(1 - cos(theta)^2)/2g = V^2 sin(theta)^2/2g  H is measure above the launch point, if you wish the H to be measured from ground level you need to add in the height of the launch point above ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Pointy</title>
		<link>http://www.energy--talk.com/creative-energy-ideas/physics-ball-thrown-and-conservation-of-energy-help/185/#comment-353</link>
		<dc:creator>Pointy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However way a ball is thrown (whether at an angle or vertically upwards), the speed at its highest point is ALWAYS equal to zero.

To determine its maximum height, the formula to use is

Kinetic energy = Potential energy

Kinetic energy = (1/2)mV^2

where

m = mass of the ball
V = vertical component of the initial velocity = 12sin33

Potential energy = mgh

where

m = already defined above
g = acceleration due to gravity = 9.8 m/sec^2 (constant)
h = maximum height attained by the ball

Since KE =PE,

(1/2)(m)(12sin33)^2 = m(9.8)(h)

NOTE that since m appears on both sides of the equation, it will simply cancel out and solving for h

h = 4.9 (12sin33)^2

I trust that you can proceed with the required mathematical process from here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However way a ball is thrown (whether at an angle or vertically upwards), the speed at its highest point is ALWAYS equal to zero.</p>
<p>To determine its maximum height, the formula to use is</p>
<p>Kinetic energy = Potential energy</p>
<p>Kinetic energy = (1/2)mV^2</p>
<p>where</p>
<p>m = mass of the ball<br />
V = vertical component of the initial velocity = 12sin33</p>
<p>Potential energy = mgh</p>
<p>where</p>
<p>m = already defined above<br />
g = acceleration due to gravity = 9.8 m/sec^2 (constant)<br />
h = maximum height attained by the ball</p>
<p>Since KE =PE,</p>
<p>(1/2)(m)(12sin33)^2 = m(9.8)(h)</p>
<p>NOTE that since m appears on both sides of the equation, it will simply cancel out and solving for h</p>
<p>h = 4.9 (12sin33)^2</p>
<p>I trust that you can proceed with the required mathematical process from here.</p>
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		<title>By: chhavi_sikri</title>
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		<dc:creator>chhavi_sikri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes part a is right 
for part 2 use the equation 
height= u sintheta* u sintheta/ 2g</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes part a is right<br />
for part 2 use the equation<br />
height= u sintheta* u sintheta/ 2g</p>
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